[FUN] Menus, Methods, and Wizards

[Stephen Mitschke]

> My company is using DeltaV with FF on a couple upcoming projects, and we> would like to try some non Fisher-Rosemount FF instruments (Rotork MOV,> Yoko EJA transmitter & YVP positioner, etc). However, I've got some> questions about the set-up wizards for these devices. > > -Does the DeltaV provide set-up wizards for non F-R FF Devices? Which> ones?> -If I don't have an available wizard, how do I set up, say, a FF control> valve positioner?> -Are the DeltaV wizards actually 'FF menus and methods', or are they> something proprietary to DeltaV?> -Are there any FF field devices out there that actually include menus &> methods in their DD?> -Does either the Yoko Centum or SMAR 302 support and use menu's &> methods?> > It seems to me that to make FF interoperability really work, we're gonna> need to have menus and methods incorporated in devices and used by> Hosts. Are vendors working this issue now? > > Jim SpragueAramco

[Stephen Mitschke]

> Jim,> > Fieldbus Device set-up wizards are actually Methods as defined by the> Fieldbus Foundation. The Device setup method is almost always unique > to the Device and is provided by the Device supplier.> > The Method, if provided, is part of the Device DD. The Method provides a> semi automated way of exercising the appropriate Fieldbus parameters. The> availability of calibration methods is optional by the Device supplier.> > Some Devices have built in calibration algorithms and thus do not use or> need Methods.> > Exercising the Device Calibration Method is one of the interoperability> tests> that is run on DeltaV to verify proper system operation.> > You should contact the Device Manufacture to determine what functionality> is> > provided to calibrate a given device.> > Craig Sydney> Emerson Process Management

[Stephen Mitschke]

> Dear Jim,> > As Craig responded, a set-up wizard is a method which guide the customer> how to tune that devices with predefined sequential modification of> device parameters.> > Therefor you can do same set-up by changing device parameters itself, if> device does not have set-up wizard.> > > 1. Yokogawa field devices> Current our field devices do not support methods and set-up wizard now.> And Yokogawa have an intinction to keep working FF device development,> and willing release DDs with menus, methods and set-up wizard.> > > 2. Yokogawa System> Our CENTUM supports menus and methods. Therefor FF devices with DD> including menu, method and set-up wizard will works as it designed.> > > Toshio Sekiguchi> Yokogawa Electric

[Stephen Mitschke]

> Dear Gentlemen,> > Yokogawa valve positioner YVP is ready for DD method.> > Our other FF products will be added these functions soon.> You will be able to enjoy these.> "Carl" Sonada Yokogawa

[Stephen Mitschke]

> Yokogawa CENTUM supports a execution function of DD Method> on Plant Resource Manager package (Asset Management package),> Device Management Tool package and H1 Support Device Management> Tool package (Local Maintenance package).> Attached file shows an example display for Fisher's DVC5000f FF> valve positioner on Yokogawa CENTUM.> > (See attached file: Fisher_DVC5000f_Method.ppt)> > In addition, Fisher's DVC 5000f is protecting> for changing calibration parameters from standard parameter menu> at a case of Yokogawa .> It is available from only Method execution function.> > > We have many experience for the execution of DVC5000f's DD Method.> Best Regards,> Takehiro Ishikawa,> Yokogawa Electric Co.> <<Microsoft PowerPoint 97>>

[Stephen Mitschke]

> Ian/Jim;> > DeltaV provides setup wizards for those devices that have successfully> passed our interoperability & stress test facility in Austin. The list of> those devices can be found on the EasyDeltaV web site at: > http://www.easydeltav.com/keytechnologies/fieldbus/devicedownloads/search.> as> p> > DeltaV supports the DD Services, DD Method Execution, and the Capability> Files. Using these methods, we develop our fhx files which are included> with> the DeltaV software on the DeltaV CD. Once the fhx files are developed,> the> methods within DeltaV are proprietary.> > DeltaV makes available a utility that uses the DDs and CFFs to produce the> fhx files for DeltaV. The utility can be used to generate fhx files for> devices that have not successfully passed our interoperability & stress> tests in Austin. > > I'm not sure about devices that support DD methods and menus. Those are> more> of a host function than a device function.> > DD methods and menu handling are tests that are performed by the Fieldbus> Foundation under HIST (Host Interoperability System Test). Currently, four> vendors have passed some of the 18 tests identified under HIST by the> foundation. Those are DeltaV, Yokogawa, SMAR, and ABB. All of these> manufacturers have "passed" 11 of the 18 HIST tests. DeltaV has passed 14> and Yokogawa 13.> > All of these four systems support DD Services and Capability Files.> However,> only DeltaV and Yokogawa support DD Method Execution; SMAR does not.> > The HIST tests are defined on the Fieldbus Foundation web site at: > http://www.fieldbus.org/ProductsAndServices/hist/> > In addition, DeltaV provides a brief description of the HIST testing at> the> EasyDeltaV web site at:> http://www.easydeltav.com/keytechnologies/fieldbus/hosttesting.asp> > We have tested the non-FR devices that you identified, and the fhx files> for> them is included with the DeltaV 6.x software (Rotork MOV, Yoko EJA> transmitter & YVP positioner, etc).> > I've included a summary of table of devices that have successfully passed> our testing with DeltaV, and those that the Fieldbus Foundation have> registered.> > If you have other questions, we'll try to help you address them.> > > Gary TappersonEmerson Process Management > <<FfInteroperability20010906B.xls>>

[Stephen Mitschke]

> I have the following queries:> > 1. On the attached Excel file, in the description column I saw on some of> FF> Devices, few function blocks in the bracket (AI, PID, AO). Does it mean> that> DeltaV only interoperate to those devices for the stated (in the bracket)> function blocks only? How about those other function blocks available on> the> device?> 2. Also on the list I saw some revision level in the bracket (3.39b, 3.41,> etc.). Does it mean that DeltaV only interoperate with the specific device> to that specific revision level only? Are these backward compatible> (Revision level N.NNx and newer)?> > Best regards,> Waskita Indrasutanta> http://www.wifgas.com/> WIFGASINDO DINAMIKA INSTRUMENT ENGINEERING, PT.

[Stephen Mitschke]

> We can see such revision, 3.39b, 3.41 for SMAR's device only.> This revision (3.39b) is shown on LCD display of the device when> the device starts up (power on).> > < Case of SMAR IF302 device >> Device Version : 2> Internal Program Version : 3.39> > Now SMAR International Co. has registered new device revision for the> IF302> in FF web site.> We think that this device was registered with ITK4.0> (New Device Interoperability) and solved this thing.> But I do not confirm it yet.> > By the way, we released new revision software for CENTUM CS3000 R3.> This system will support a function to create a temporary Capability File> (CFF file) and register it to system database automatically> when a new device version is connected without official CFF file on the> segment.> This is a temporary way but it is useful function in maintenance phase.> Because the customer may change the device from old version to latest> version> in future maintenance.> > Best Regards,> Takehiro Ishikawa> Yokogawa Electric Co.